No tel levels

sffp · September 13, 2022, 16:30

Not sure I'm such a big fan.

Just got killed in one after I dropped down into a No-tel level in the middle of a pack of gravity hounds.

Then there are cases where there's a ridiculously hard pit of monsters between where you are and where the stairs are.

Grotug · September 14, 2022, 05:36

I encountered this level recently and didn't see any reason for me to participate on it so I Word of Recalled.

sffp · September 14, 2022, 13:32

Yeah - I've been playing in masochist mode
So straight ironman rules, no going up at all with a fragile hobbit nec.

Jay · September 19, 2022, 18:22

I just came here to report this as a bug. So there are no tel levels on purpose now? I was frantically checking all my gear to make sure I wasn't wearing something cursed.

Is there some sort of in-game notification that I missed? Because it sucks to discover that you're on a no tel level when you're trying to teleport out of a bad situation.

backwardsEric · September 21, 2022, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Jay

I just came here to report this as a bug. So there are no tel levels on purpose now? I was frantically checking all my gear to make sure I wasn't wearing something cursed.

Is there some sort of in-game notification that I missed?

Gauntlet levels (cavern on one side with the up stairs, cavern on the other side with down stairs, and joined by a labyrinth in the middle) have the portions with the up stairs and labyrinth marked so player teleportation is forbidden. There's no notification in game for those levels, but I believe that has been suggested as a way to make them less of a surprise.

Jay · September 24, 2022, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by backwardsEric

Gauntlet levels (cavern on one side with the up stairs, cavern on the other side with down stairs, and joined by a labyrinth in the middle) have the portions with the up stairs and labyrinth marked so player teleportation is forbidden. There's no notification in game for those levels, but I believe that has been suggested as a way to make them less of a surprise.

That makes sense — I've come across one of those levels since my first post and had the same experience.

I can see where a level like that would be a significant hindrance to playing an ironman game. Maybe "include gauntlet levels y/n" could be a user setup option? Or dump them entirely.

Thraalbee · September 25, 2022, 07:49

I only do ironman except comps and don't mind the added difficulty from this. I was surprised the first time though and a warning of sorts would be ok but not required.

wobbly · September 25, 2022, 08:24

I don't have a strong opinion on this, I'll just give 2 comments:

It's very unclear why teleport is failing, even after the fail message.
It's hard to spot the difference between gauntlet levels and caverns.

Nick · October 2, 2022, 00:50

If you don't like gauntlet levels, you can just set the "alloc" value for them in dungeon_profile.txt to 0, then they will never appear.

September 13, 2022, 16:30	#1
sffp Swordsman Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: DC Area Posts: 434	No tel levels Not sure I'm such a big fan. Just got killed in one after I dropped down into a No-tel level in the middle of a pack of gravity hounds. Then there are cases where there's a ridiculously hard pit of monsters between where you are and where the stairs are.

September 14, 2022, 05:36	#2
Grotug Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,612	I encountered this level recently and didn't see any reason for me to participate on it so I Word of Recalled. __________________ Beginner's Guide to Angband 4.2.3 Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9c9e2wMngM Detailed account of my Ironman win here. "My guess is that Grip and Fang have many more kills than Gothmog and Lungorthin." --Fizzix

September 19, 2022, 18:22	#4
Jay Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 93	I just came here to report this as a bug. So there are no tel levels on purpose now? I was frantically checking all my gear to make sure I wasn't wearing something cursed. Is there some sort of in-game notification that I missed? Because it sucks to discover that you're on a no tel level when you're trying to teleport out of a bad situation. __________________ Oh you icky things, don't you know you're driving your mamas and papas insane…

October 2, 2022, 00:50	#9
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 58 Posts: 9,560 Donated: $60	If you don't like gauntlet levels, you can just set the "alloc" value for them in dungeon_profile.txt to 0, then they will never appear. __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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September 14, 2022, 13:32	#3
sffp Swordsman Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: DC Area Posts: 434	Yeah - I've been playing in masochist mode So straight ironman rules, no going up at all with a fragile hobbit nec.

September 25, 2022, 07:49	#7
Thraalbee Knight Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Stockholm Posts: 706	I only do ironman except comps and don't mind the added difficulty from this. I was surprised the first time though and a warning of sorts would be ok but not required.

September 25, 2022, 08:24	#8
wobbly Prophet Join Date: May 2012 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 2,617	I don't have a strong opinion on this, I'll just give 2 comments: It's very unclear why teleport is failing, even after the fail message. It's hard to spot the difference between gauntlet levels and caverns.

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