Is it easier to find the Rings of Power now?

Bilbo · June 29, 2010, 03:41

I just started playing 3.1.2v2 after having taken the past couple years off. In my current game, I'm at 4900 feet and have found all the rings of power including The One. That's the first time I've ever found The One, and the first time I've ever found more than two Rings of Power in the same game. I think this character has found all the other artifact rings for that matter.

Has the drop code changed to make it easier to find those things?

Pete Mack · June 29, 2010, 04:16

No, the drop code for rings of power is about the same. You just got lucky.
Also, hanging out at dl 98 is a lot likelier to get rings of power than slow diving.

PowerDiver · June 29, 2010, 04:17

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I just started playing 3.1.2v2 after having taken the past couple years off. In my current game, I'm at 4900 feet and have found all the rings of power including The One. That's the first time I've ever found The One, and the first time I've ever found more than two Rings of Power in the same game. I think this character has found all the other artifact rings for that matter.

Has the drop code changed to make it easier to find those things?

Yes........

Bilbo · June 29, 2010, 04:57

It seems we have a disagreement. Who's right?

PowerDiver · June 29, 2010, 05:06

I think it is more likely to generate them outright, but Pete may be right about somehow managing equal creation chances for artifact jewelry. I don't believe it, but I will happily stipulate it.

However, the change to object depth = max {ML, DL} means that the three are droppable by any monster at DL 90+ without an out-of-depth check, and the one is droppable at DL 90+ without an out-of-depth check by any monster with DROP_GOOD. That's an enormous change.

Of course, I haven't looked at the code. I just read the reports here. I could be way off, but that's my understanding.

Bilbo · June 29, 2010, 05:15

Yes, max(ML, DL) would be a big change. But in my game, The One and another of the power rings were generated on the dungeon floor rather than dropped. I do not play with scumming. The One was in a small vault, not sure about the other. The other two were dropped by deep monsters in deep levels so that change would not have affected much.

Zikke · June 30, 2010, 00:20

I still have never found the One Ring in any game I have ever played in the last decade. I think you just got lucky.

And at least one of the 3 other Rings drop for me every game, most often when I am otherwise ready for Morgoth but I'm scumming around for consumables.

fizzix · June 30, 2010, 03:21

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Originally Posted by Zikke

I still have never found the One Ring in any game I have ever played in the last decade. I think you just got lucky.

And at least one of the 3 other Rings drop for me every game, most often when I am otherwise ready for Morgoth but I'm scumming around for consumables.

I have never found the one either.

June 29, 2010, 03:41	#1
Bilbo Rookie Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 7	Is it easier to find the Rings of Power now? I just started playing 3.1.2v2 after having taken the past couple years off. In my current game, I'm at 4900 feet and have found all the rings of power including The One. That's the first time I've ever found The One, and the first time I've ever found more than two Rings of Power in the same game. I think this character has found all the other artifact rings for that matter. Has the drop code changed to make it easier to find those things?

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Zikke Veteran Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,069	I still have never found the One Ring in any game I have ever played in the last decade. I think you just got lucky. And at least one of the 3 other Rings drop for me every game, most often when I am otherwise ready for Morgoth but I'm scumming around for consumables. __________________ A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+ C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

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June 29, 2010, 04:16	#2
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,856 Donated: $40	No, the drop code for rings of power is about the same. You just got lucky. Also, hanging out at dl 98 is a lot likelier to get rings of power than slow diving.

June 29, 2010, 04:57	#4
Bilbo Rookie Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 7	It seems we have a disagreement. Who's right?

June 29, 2010, 05:06	#5
PowerDiver Prophet Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,799	I think it is more likely to generate them outright, but Pete may be right about somehow managing equal creation chances for artifact jewelry. I don't believe it, but I will happily stipulate it. However, the change to object depth = max {ML, DL} means that the three are droppable by any monster at DL 90+ without an out-of-depth check, and the one is droppable at DL 90+ without an out-of-depth check by any monster with DROP_GOOD. That's an enormous change. Of course, I haven't looked at the code. I just read the reports here. I could be way off, but that's my understanding.

June 29, 2010, 05:15	#6
Bilbo Rookie Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 7	Yes, max(ML, DL) would be a big change. But in my game, The One and another of the power rings were generated on the dungeon floor rather than dropped. I do not play with scumming. The One was in a small vault, not sure about the other. The other two were dropped by deep monsters in deep levels so that change would not have affected much.

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