Question about experience drain

miner · June 15, 2009, 18:02

When a monster drains my experience, if I choose not to use a Potion of Restore Life or other method for reinstating my highest experience points but choose to do so by killing monsters, do I simply gain experience points from the monsters I kill up to my previous experience point max and then I will gain experience from there (ie using the monsters to "refill" with no effect on my max) or does my max experience points gain as well? I'm trying to figure out what happens and can't place it exactly.

RogerN · June 15, 2009, 18:41

I think your max experience increases, but only by half. Therefore as long as you're still below your max experience, 50% of the experience gain is wasted.

Nolendil · June 15, 2009, 19:18

I'm not sure about the 50% ratio but I also believe it works this way.

Zikke · June 15, 2009, 19:36

Isn't that ratio the basis of the "grape jelly exploit"? Was that ever fixed, or does it not apply any more.

Nolendil · June 15, 2009, 20:13

According to this thread, the "grape jelly trick" was fixed a long time ago.

Zikke · June 15, 2009, 20:19

Ah okay, that seems like a much different trick than this thread. Thanks for the link

Atarlost · June 15, 2009, 20:20

First stop on Google indicates it was fixed before Angband branched from Moria.

PowerDiver · June 15, 2009, 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerN

I think your max experience increases, but only by half. Therefore as long as you're still below your max experience, 50% of the experience gain is wasted.

It used to be that you gain 10% towards max exp and thus 90% is wasted. I am not aware of any recent change.

Nolendil · June 16, 2009, 01:46

At least, if the XP gain is split between current and max XP, it can't be 50/50 because you could never reach your max XP again this way : the difference between max XP and current XP would be constant.
Assuming you don't have/use a !RestoreLife, I believe the quicker you get back to your max XP, the less XP is lost in the end.
So 90% gained in current XP would be very favorable.

If full XP is added to current XP and only a portion to max XP, it's different.

PowerDiver · June 16, 2009, 02:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nolendil

If full XP is added to current XP and only a portion to max XP, it's different.

That's how it is. IMO full XP should be added to both, but I haven't been able to convince anyone else.

June 15, 2009, 18:02	#1
miner Rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Herriman, UT Posts: 15	Question about experience drain When a monster drains my experience, if I choose not to use a Potion of Restore Life or other method for reinstating my highest experience points but choose to do so by killing monsters, do I simply gain experience points from the monsters I kill up to my previous experience point max and then I will gain experience from there (ie using the monsters to "refill" with no effect on my max) or does my max experience points gain as well? I'm trying to figure out what happens and can't place it exactly.

June 15, 2009, 19:18	#3
Nolendil Adept Join Date: May 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 171 Donated: 10 euro	I'm not sure about the 50% ratio but I also believe it works this way. __________________ A(3.2.0) C "Angdiira II" DP L:36 DL:44(2200') A+ R+ Sp w:Whip of Westernesse(+10,+10)(+2) A Mx H- D c-- f- PV+ s- d P++ M+ C- S-- I So B++ ac GHB- SQ+ RQ++ V+

June 15, 2009, 19:36	#4
Zikke Veteran Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,069	Isn't that ratio the basis of the "grape jelly exploit"? Was that ever fixed, or does it not apply any more. __________________ A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+ C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

June 15, 2009, 20:13	#5
Nolendil Adept Join Date: May 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 171 Donated: 10 euro	According to this thread, the "grape jelly trick" was fixed a long time ago. __________________ A(3.2.0) C "Angdiira II" DP L:36 DL:44(2200') A+ R+ Sp w:Whip of Westernesse(+10,+10)(+2) A Mx H- D c-- f- PV+ s- d P++ M+ C- S-- I So B++ ac GHB- SQ+ RQ++ V+

June 15, 2009, 20:19	#6
Zikke Veteran Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,069	Ah okay, that seems like a much different trick than this thread. Thanks for the link __________________ A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+ C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

June 15, 2009, 18:41	#2
RogerN Swordsman Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 308	I think your max experience increases, but only by half. Therefore as long as you're still below your max experience, 50% of the experience gain is wasted.

June 15, 2009, 20:20	#7
Atarlost Swordsman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 441	First stop on Google indicates it was fixed before Angband branched from Moria. __________________ One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to bind them. One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness interrupt the movie.

June 16, 2009, 01:46	#9
Nolendil Adept Join Date: May 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 171 Donated: 10 euro	At least, if the XP gain is split between current and max XP, it can't be 50/50 because you could never reach your max XP again this way : the difference between max XP and current XP would be constant. Assuming you don't have/use a !RestoreLife, I believe the quicker you get back to your max XP, the less XP is lost in the end. So 90% gained in current XP would be very favorable. If full XP is added to current XP and only a portion to max XP, it's different. __________________ A(3.2.0) C "Angdiira II" DP L:36 DL:44(2200') A+ R+ Sp w:Whip of Westernesse(+10,+10)(+2) A Mx H- D c-- f- PV+ s- d P++ M+ C- S-- I So B++ ac GHB- SQ+ RQ++ V+ Last edited by Nolendil; June 16, 2009 at 01:52.

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