Magical attacks and some other attacks don't show damage dealed to monsters

lea2501 · January 12, 2020, 19:23

Hi! lately I've noticed that many spells as mage or necromancer don't show the damage that they dealed to monsters, i have the "Show damage player deals to monsters" option set to "yes".

For example, if i shoot and arrow to a jelly, i see the message:
"Your Bolt (1d5) (+0,+0) hits the blue jelly (15)."

but if i fire a nether bolt as a necromancer the message don't show the dealed damage, showing only:
"The blue jelly quivers in pain."

I think the damage dealed is very useful and i like to have it, but why not for spells?

Nick · January 12, 2020, 21:13

Spell damage is more difficult because spells often hit multiple monsters. That said, it should be possible - I will file it as a change to be made.

Pete Mack · January 12, 2020, 22:43

You just need to do the targeted monster. If none is targeted, don't bother with damage.

lea2501 · January 12, 2020, 23:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

Spell damage is more difficult because spells often hit multiple monsters. That said, it should be possible - I will file it as a change to be made.

Wow! i'll love to see the damage dealed to targeted monsters with my spells! thank you so so much!

takkaria · January 13, 2020, 01:09

Yeah, show_damage is half-baked, that's my fault

It seemed like it would be difficult to make the damage display show up well in the messages. The alternative is something like Sil's combat terminal, which would show you a list of all the damage dealt, then it wouldn't have to be in the main message text.

Nick · May 20, 2020, 01:26

OK, I think my optimism was unwarranted here. While this would be technically possible, it would require a largish amount of code and would result in either a lot of message spam ("5 uruks cry out in pain" becomes 5 individual messages with damage amounts) or only recording damage sometimes. Summary: I don't think this is worth it, for maintainer or players.

Ingwe Ingweron · May 20, 2020, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

OK, I think my optimism was unwarranted here. While this would be technically possible, it would require a largish amount of code and would result in either a lot of message spam ("5 uruks cry out in pain" becomes 5 individual messages with damage amounts) or only recording damage sometimes. Summary: I don't think this is worth it, for maintainer or players.

Yes, that's what I remember of the conclusion you reached long-ago when you took on the gargantuan task of maintainer while we were play-testing the first new version.

Pete Mack · May 20, 2020, 21:35

What might be better is having multiple health bars (like PCB.) Say, for your current target and the next 2 most powerful monsters who are attacking you.

Tibarius · May 20, 2020, 21:42

+1 for the suggestion of showing the damage dealt to the targeted monster

Like Lea i would welcome it a lot to see the damage done with spells.

archolewa · May 22, 2020, 00:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Mack

What might be better is having multiple health bars (like PCB.) Say, for your current target and the next 2 most powerful monsters who are attacking you.

I feel like this risks being confusing, especially if you are fighting e.g. a group of Dreads.

January 12, 2020, 19:23	#1
lea2501 Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 61	Magical attacks and some other attacks don't show damage dealed to monsters Hi! lately I've noticed that many spells as mage or necromancer don't show the damage that they dealed to monsters, i have the "Show damage player deals to monsters" option set to "yes". For example, if i shoot and arrow to a jelly, i see the message: "Your Bolt (1d5) (+0,+0) hits the blue jelly (15)." but if i fire a nether bolt as a necromancer the message don't show the dealed damage, showing only: "The blue jelly quivers in pain." I think the damage dealed is very useful and i like to have it, but why not for spells?

January 12, 2020, 21:13	#2
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 58 Posts: 9,562 Donated: $60	Spell damage is more difficult because spells often hit multiple monsters. That said, it should be possible - I will file it as a change to be made. __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

January 13, 2020, 01:09	#5
takkaria Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,951 Donated: $40	Yeah, show_damage is half-baked, that's my fault It seemed like it would be difficult to make the damage display show up well in the messages. The alternative is something like Sil's combat terminal, which would show you a list of all the damage dealt, then it wouldn't have to be in the main message text. __________________ takkaria whispers something about options. -more- Last edited by takkaria; January 13, 2020 at 01:48.

May 20, 2020, 01:26	#6
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 58 Posts: 9,562 Donated: $60	OK, I think my optimism was unwarranted here. While this would be technically possible, it would require a largish amount of code and would result in either a lot of message spam ("5 uruks cry out in pain" becomes 5 individual messages with damage amounts) or only recording damage sometimes. Summary: I don't think this is worth it, for maintainer or players. __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

May 20, 2020, 21:42	#9
Tibarius Swordsman Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Germany Age: 54 Posts: 429	damage shown for spells +1 for the suggestion of showing the damage dealt to the targeted monster Like Lea i would welcome it a lot to see the damage done with spells. __________________ Blondes are more fun!

January 12, 2020, 22:43	#3
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,858 Donated: $40	You just need to do the targeted monster. If none is targeted, don't bother with damage.

May 20, 2020, 21:35	#8
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,858 Donated: $40	What might be better is having multiple health bars (like PCB.) Say, for your current target and the next 2 most powerful monsters who are attacking you.

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