A varient with more traditional save options?

sethosayher · May 21, 2009, 18:41

I know that deleting save files for characters that die is intrinsic to the value and the philosophy of all roguelikes. However, I'm wondering if any variants offer the chance to play the game with a more traditional save structure, that won't delete your character for every death?

I know some people will vehemently protest to this request but...I don't know what else to tell you guys. I just feel I'd personally derive more enjoyment with a more traditional save scheme...if one exists.

Donald Jonker · May 21, 2009, 22:02

I don't think there are any *bands which support this, but I vaguely recall reading about a game on r.g.r.misc that does, so you may want to investigate there.

That said, save scumming isn't particularly difficult. Just make a copy of your save file whenever you deem it reasonable. No one's gonna bother crucifying you unless you attempt to debate the relative merits of doing so.

petebull · June 14, 2009, 10:32

No, because there is an option 'Allow player to avoid death' in the Cheat Options. Activate that and you could live forever.

Atarlost · June 14, 2009, 20:14

Cheat death is an unsatisfying way to do things. With a traditional save/load system you can treat tough battles as repeatable puzzles and experiment with ways to overcome them. With cheat death you still only get one chance to fight each battle.

Donald Jonker · June 14, 2009, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Donald Jonker

I don't think there are any *bands which support this, but I vaguely recall reading about a game on r.g.r.misc that does, so you may want to investigate there.

Doh! POWDER has a built-in option to savescum that operates similarly to traditional save games. You still have to save & quit, but if you die, you can restore your last save. I play it fairly often - strange I didn't recall it had that feature. Then again, I never use it.

Nolendil · June 14, 2009, 22:56

Save Scummer is great but that's not what you'd call a traditional save system

Dubtrain · June 15, 2009, 17:08

Just copy the save file. Why should there be in-game code for that? How would in-game code be better than copying a file yourself?

Nolendil · June 15, 2009, 19:24

In the dark days before I saw the light, I used to save scum but, even doing so, I never won because, after several copies, I eventually managed to overwrite my backup with my current dead character

Pete Mack · June 16, 2009, 04:23

I find the title of this thread a little disconcerting: permanent death _is_ the traditional save format, going all the way back to Rogue (and presumably D&D 1.)

Atarlost · June 16, 2009, 05:48

Permadeath is used by very few non-rougelike games. Going back to e.g. Ultima and I think Zork and Adventure. I can't think of anything that lets you save, but not load a save after death that isn't a rougelike. Permadeath is very nonstandard.

May 21, 2009, 18:41	#1
sethosayher Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5	A varient with more traditional save options? I know that deleting save files for characters that die is intrinsic to the value and the philosophy of all roguelikes. However, I'm wondering if any variants offer the chance to play the game with a more traditional save structure, that won't delete your character for every death? I know some people will vehemently protest to this request but...I don't know what else to tell you guys. I just feel I'd personally derive more enjoyment with a more traditional save scheme...if one exists. Last edited by sethosayher; May 21, 2009 at 18:49.

May 21, 2009, 22:02	#2
Donald Jonker Knight Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 593	I don't think there are any *bands which support this, but I vaguely recall reading about a game on r.g.r.misc that does, so you may want to investigate there. That said, save scumming isn't particularly difficult. Just make a copy of your save file whenever you deem it reasonable. No one's gonna bother crucifying you unless you attempt to debate the relative merits of doing so. __________________ Bands, / Those funny little plans / That never work quite right. -Mercury Rev

June 14, 2009, 20:14	#4
Atarlost Swordsman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 441	Cheat death is an unsatisfying way to do things. With a traditional save/load system you can treat tough battles as repeatable puzzles and experiment with ways to overcome them. With cheat death you still only get one chance to fight each battle. __________________ One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to bind them. One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness interrupt the movie.

June 14, 2009, 22:56	#6
Nolendil Adept Join Date: May 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 171 Donated: 10 euro	Save Scummer is great but that's not what you'd call a traditional save system __________________ A(3.2.0) C "Angdiira II" DP L:36 DL:44(2200') A+ R+ Sp w:Whip of Westernesse(+10,+10)(+2) A Mx H- D c-- f- PV+ s- d P++ M+ C- S-- I So B++ ac GHB- SQ+ RQ++ V+

June 15, 2009, 19:24	#8
Nolendil Adept Join Date: May 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 171 Donated: 10 euro	In the dark days before I saw the light, I used to save scum but, even doing so, I never won because, after several copies, I eventually managed to overwrite my backup with my current dead character __________________ A(3.2.0) C "Angdiira II" DP L:36 DL:44(2200') A+ R+ Sp w:Whip of Westernesse(+10,+10)(+2) A Mx H- D c-- f- PV+ s- d P++ M+ C- S-- I So B++ ac GHB- SQ+ RQ++ V+

June 14, 2009, 10:32	#3
petebull Apprentice Join Date: May 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 51 Donated: $5.70	No, because there is an option 'Allow player to avoid death' in the Cheat Options. Activate that and you could live forever.

June 15, 2009, 17:08	#7
Dubtrain Scout Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 33	Just copy the save file. Why should there be in-game code for that? How would in-game code be better than copying a file yourself?

June 16, 2009, 04:23	#9
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,858 Donated: $40	I find the title of this thread a little disconcerting: permanent death _is_ the traditional save format, going all the way back to Rogue (and presumably D&D 1.)

June 16, 2009, 05:48	#10
Atarlost Swordsman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 441	Permadeath is used by very few non-rougelike games. Going back to e.g. Ultima and I think Zork and Adventure. I can't think of anything that lets you save, but not load a save after death that isn't a rougelike. Permadeath is very nonstandard. __________________ One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to bind them. One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness interrupt the movie.

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